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		<title>Comment on CranioSacral: A slow learner! by Skattomole</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jan 2013 12:45:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for replying.

I perceive actual hostility towards those who disagree with the rationalist position over medicine. The best defence of science is to point to the achievements of the rational method (which should be a simple matter). No method will ever uncover the whole truth, and our image would be better if we admitted this. Science proclaims being value free, which translates for many people as being amoral. Either we communicate better or we start lobbying the policy makers to force behaviour. I will not support that, as it would end with state compulsion - which (some might recall) we have gone to war against.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for replying.</p>
<p>I perceive actual hostility towards those who disagree with the rationalist position over medicine. The best defence of science is to point to the achievements of the rational method (which should be a simple matter). No method will ever uncover the whole truth, and our image would be better if we admitted this. Science proclaims being value free, which translates for many people as being amoral. Either we communicate better or we start lobbying the policy makers to force behaviour. I will not support that, as it would end with state compulsion &#8211; which (some might recall) we have gone to war against.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CranioSacral: A slow learner! by skepticbarista</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jan 2013 13:25:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting that Mrs Hughes Conditions Treated web page states:

&lt;em&gt;&quot;From 2011 the Advertising Standards Authority have deemed that practitioners can no longer claim that CST and Bowen Technique are able to treat specific health problems.
 
Therefore, unfortunately I cannot provide a list of conditions that I have treated over many years. Please contact me to discuss your symptoms.&quot;&lt;/em&gt;

Clearly she is well aware of the rules and yet her Craniosacral page lists numerous conditions she claims can be helped by this quackery.    

No matter, this is still ongoing and I have had confirmation from the ASA that they are investigating these claims, so Mrs Hughes will have the opportunity to explain all.  However I feel there may be some changes to her website in the not too distant future!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that Mrs Hughes Conditions Treated web page states:</p>
<p><em>&#8220;From 2011 the Advertising Standards Authority have deemed that practitioners can no longer claim that CST and Bowen Technique are able to treat specific health problems.</p>
<p>Therefore, unfortunately I cannot provide a list of conditions that I have treated over many years. Please contact me to discuss your symptoms.&#8221;</em></p>
<p>Clearly she is well aware of the rules and yet her Craniosacral page lists numerous conditions she claims can be helped by this quackery.    </p>
<p>No matter, this is still ongoing and I have had confirmation from the ASA that they are investigating these claims, so Mrs Hughes will have the opportunity to explain all.  However I feel there may be some changes to her website in the not too distant future!</p>
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		<title>Comment on CranioSacral: A slow learner! by Skattomole</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Dec 2012 11:01:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Is your objection that Mrs Hughes&#039; claims are misleading advertising, or is your real point that, being bad science, they should be accompanied by a Government Health Warning - or would you secretly like such claims to be banned altogether? If so, would you allow NICE space to make its claims without comment from its own sceptics?

A website similar to this one in tone declared &quot;First, we came for the homeopaths&quot;. I assume the author knows history, and has read those chilling words from the pre war years in Germany on which her headline is clearly based. Is this the tone opponents of &quot;alternatives&quot; really want to display? If so, who will be next, when the homeopaths are all locked up or otherwise silenced?

Elsewhere on that website, we are exhorted to sign a petition against UK libel laws, for the very good reason that they have been used in a disgraceful attempt to muzzle a writer who is himself well versed in scientific method. Quite right: democracy is hard won and expensive to defend. But it would look, shall we say, &#039;ironic&#039;, if those you regard as the other side were harassed into silence. 

A similar tactical error was committed by the BBC when they clearly set up Nick Griffin for the Two Minute&#039;s Hate&quot; on &quot;Question Time. If something is prattish, in a democracy, it should be left to expose itself as such. We citizens are not children to be told by him (or you) what to think. As for the ASA, how do you know it does not &quot;cherry pick&quot; what it goes for?

Anyway, science is value free - is it not? It does not require three cheers from its supporters and cannot be undermined by the booing and hissing of its opponents. It is self evidently valid because it provides its own methodological critique - so long as the phenomena it observes can be measured.

The data should speak for themselves, and the assertions of science fans or opponents are a distraction. Nor are scientists themselves automatically the best advocates, as they cannot help but have other sympathies. Remember that JBS Haldane, having rubbished CS Lewis, himself suppressed scepticism at Soviet claims that they had kept an isolated dog&#039;s head alive, and that TS Lysenko&#039;s Agrobiology would feed millions. 

If you think the &quot;Alternative&quot; enthusiasts are wrong, point out how. If your camp keep going for them, it will appear to be a witch hunt. Beyond that, if there is no personal god with a right to vie for my soul (and that&#039;s my own position), who are you to do it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is your objection that Mrs Hughes&#8217; claims are misleading advertising, or is your real point that, being bad science, they should be accompanied by a Government Health Warning &#8211; or would you secretly like such claims to be banned altogether? If so, would you allow NICE space to make its claims without comment from its own sceptics?</p>
<p>A website similar to this one in tone declared &#8220;First, we came for the homeopaths&#8221;. I assume the author knows history, and has read those chilling words from the pre war years in Germany on which her headline is clearly based. Is this the tone opponents of &#8220;alternatives&#8221; really want to display? If so, who will be next, when the homeopaths are all locked up or otherwise silenced?</p>
<p>Elsewhere on that website, we are exhorted to sign a petition against UK libel laws, for the very good reason that they have been used in a disgraceful attempt to muzzle a writer who is himself well versed in scientific method. Quite right: democracy is hard won and expensive to defend. But it would look, shall we say, &#8216;ironic&#8217;, if those you regard as the other side were harassed into silence. </p>
<p>A similar tactical error was committed by the BBC when they clearly set up Nick Griffin for the Two Minute&#8217;s Hate&#8221; on &#8220;Question Time. If something is prattish, in a democracy, it should be left to expose itself as such. We citizens are not children to be told by him (or you) what to think. As for the ASA, how do you know it does not &#8220;cherry pick&#8221; what it goes for?</p>
<p>Anyway, science is value free &#8211; is it not? It does not require three cheers from its supporters and cannot be undermined by the booing and hissing of its opponents. It is self evidently valid because it provides its own methodological critique &#8211; so long as the phenomena it observes can be measured.</p>
<p>The data should speak for themselves, and the assertions of science fans or opponents are a distraction. Nor are scientists themselves automatically the best advocates, as they cannot help but have other sympathies. Remember that JBS Haldane, having rubbished CS Lewis, himself suppressed scepticism at Soviet claims that they had kept an isolated dog&#8217;s head alive, and that TS Lysenko&#8217;s Agrobiology would feed millions. </p>
<p>If you think the &#8220;Alternative&#8221; enthusiasts are wrong, point out how. If your camp keep going for them, it will appear to be a witch hunt. Beyond that, if there is no personal god with a right to vie for my soul (and that&#8217;s my own position), who are you to do it?</p>
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		<title>Comment on CranioSacral: A slow learner! by skepticbarista</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:13:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Osteopaths in the UK often make the same claims as craniosacral therapists, usually using terms like &#039;cranial osteopathy&#039;, &#039;osteopathy in the cranial field&#039;,&#039;Paediatric Osteopathy&#039; or simply referring to the treatment of babies &amp; children.  However the levels of evidence are pretty much the same as for craniosacral = no good quality evidence exists!

Have a look here: &lt;a href=&quot;http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-1/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Osteopathy: A question of evidence part 1&lt;/a&gt;  and also here  &lt;a href=&quot;http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-2/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Osteopathy: A question of evidence part 2&lt;/a&gt;.  

A 2011 study into the benefits of Cranial Osteopathy for the treatment of Cerebral Palsy found that there was no significant benefit for either patient or carer.
&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315093247.htm&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315093247.htm&lt;/a&gt;

The format of that study was agreed with by osteopaths from the (FPO) Foundation for Paediatric Osteopathy - however when the results were published they continued to advertise
the treatment of cerebral palsy ...... until the ASA stopped them!
I strongly suspect that they still offer the treatment, even if they can&#039;t actually put it on their website!

* the Foundation for Paediatric Osteopathy underwent a name change and is now called the Osteopathic Centre for Children (OCC), but they are the same organisation.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Osteopaths in the UK often make the same claims as craniosacral therapists, usually using terms like &#8216;cranial osteopathy&#8217;, &#8216;osteopathy in the cranial field&#8217;,'Paediatric Osteopathy&#8217; or simply referring to the treatment of babies &amp; children.  However the levels of evidence are pretty much the same as for craniosacral = no good quality evidence exists!</p>
<p>Have a look here: <a href="http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/01/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-1/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Osteopathy: A question of evidence part 1</a>  and also here  <a href="http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/02/03/osteopathya-question-of-evidence-part-2/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">Osteopathy: A question of evidence part 2</a>.  </p>
<p>A 2011 study into the benefits of Cranial Osteopathy for the treatment of Cerebral Palsy found that there was no significant benefit for either patient or carer.<br />
<a href="http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315093247.htm" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/03/110315093247.htm</a></p>
<p>The format of that study was agreed with by osteopaths from the (FPO) Foundation for Paediatric Osteopathy &#8211; however when the results were published they continued to advertise<br />
the treatment of cerebral palsy &#8230;&#8230; until the ASA stopped them!<br />
I strongly suspect that they still offer the treatment, even if they can&#8217;t actually put it on their website!</p>
<p>* the Foundation for Paediatric Osteopathy underwent a name change and is now called the Osteopathic Centre for Children (OCC), but they are the same organisation.</p>
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		<title>Comment on CranioSacral: A slow learner! by sham</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2012 16:53:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;ve often discussed the case of CranioSacral therapy. Is there anything better (ie. more scientific/evidence based) in osteopathy excluding the CranioSacral field? Because here in France osteopaths often make the same claims.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;ve often discussed the case of CranioSacral therapy. Is there anything better (ie. more scientific/evidence based) in osteopathy excluding the CranioSacral field? Because here in France osteopaths often make the same claims.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dangerous Homeopathy.. by skepticbarista</title>
		<link>http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2011/08/19/dangerous-homeopathy/comment-page-1/#comment-5288</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 09:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Anecdotal evidence doesn&#039;t qualify as a &#039;slap on the face of sceptics&#039;   ....  it doesn&#039;t even qualify as evidence.

If your son&#039;s eczema has been successfully treated then that is undoubtedly good news for all concerned, but I would question whether homeopathy was responsible for any improvement in his condition!

Were any other (non-homeopathic) treatments being used at the same time, if so then how can you be sure it was the homeopathy that worked ?

I certainly hope you were not just relying on homeopathy to treat this condition, if you were then, apart from being totally irresponsible, you should be thankful that your son did not suffer the same fate as this baby:
http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/868785/homeopath-wife-jailed-over-babys-death

Homeopathy doesn&#039;t work and there is no plausible mechanism that could explain how it ever could ......  all supporters of homeopathy have are anecdotes and flawed, low quality research that tenuously links homeopathy to improvements in medical conditions.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anecdotal evidence doesn&#8217;t qualify as a &#8216;slap on the face of sceptics&#8217;   &#8230;.  it doesn&#8217;t even qualify as evidence.</p>
<p>If your son&#8217;s eczema has been successfully treated then that is undoubtedly good news for all concerned, but I would question whether homeopathy was responsible for any improvement in his condition!</p>
<p>Were any other (non-homeopathic) treatments being used at the same time, if so then how can you be sure it was the homeopathy that worked ?</p>
<p>I certainly hope you were not just relying on homeopathy to treat this condition, if you were then, apart from being totally irresponsible, you should be thankful that your son did not suffer the same fate as this baby:<br />
<a href="http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/868785/homeopath-wife-jailed-over-babys-death" rel="nofollow">http://news.ninemsn.com.au/national/868785/homeopath-wife-jailed-over-babys-death</a></p>
<p>Homeopathy doesn&#8217;t work and there is no plausible mechanism that could explain how it ever could &#8230;&#8230;  all supporters of homeopathy have are anecdotes and flawed, low quality research that tenuously links homeopathy to improvements in medical conditions.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dangerous Homeopathy.. by jhon</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jul 2012 06:53:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi, Whatever your views are about homeopathy but at least at this very practice my 8 years old son was treated successfully for eczema. He is a healthy buddy now, a slap on the face of  sceptics!!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Whatever your views are about homeopathy but at least at this very practice my 8 years old son was treated successfully for eczema. He is a healthy buddy now, a slap on the face of  sceptics!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Osteopathy: More words, Some actions, No evidence! by skepticbarista</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 10:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi,

Sorry to hear you are having problems following your osteopathy treatment.

If you had the treatment in the UK by a UK registered osteopath, then I would suggest you contact the General Osteopathic Council who have a complaints procedure.  They will take your complaint seriously!

http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/information/complaints/

I would avoid posting online any specific details of the &#039;who, what, where &amp; when&#039; relating to your treatment as this may prejudice any future hearing.


skepticbarista@googlemail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>Sorry to hear you are having problems following your osteopathy treatment.</p>
<p>If you had the treatment in the UK by a UK registered osteopath, then I would suggest you contact the General Osteopathic Council who have a complaints procedure.  They will take your complaint seriously!</p>
<p><a href="http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/information/complaints/" rel="nofollow">http://www.osteopathy.org.uk/information/complaints/</a></p>
<p>I would avoid posting online any specific details of the &#8216;who, what, where &amp; when&#8217; relating to your treatment as this may prejudice any future hearing.</p>
<p><a href="mailto:skepticbarista@googlemail.com">skepticbarista@googlemail.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Osteopathy: More words, Some actions, No evidence! by Sonia</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2012 00:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dear SkepticBarista,
I recently underwent 11 treatments with an osteopath to relieve occasional knee pain. As a result of the treatments I am now experiencing pain in almost every corner of my body; nerve pain in the arms and hands, all over the legs, neck and back pain. Osteopathy is definitely a dangerous practice and I hope more is done to alert the public to this fact. Do you know of any resources for those who have been injured by osteopaths? 
Thanks!
S.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear SkepticBarista,<br />
I recently underwent 11 treatments with an osteopath to relieve occasional knee pain. As a result of the treatments I am now experiencing pain in almost every corner of my body; nerve pain in the arms and hands, all over the legs, neck and back pain. Osteopathy is definitely a dangerous practice and I hope more is done to alert the public to this fact. Do you know of any resources for those who have been injured by osteopaths?<br />
Thanks!<br />
S.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Homeopathy Awareness Week &#8211; Are you aware ? by skepticbarista</title>
		<link>http://skepticbarista.wordpress.com/2012/06/14/homeopathy-awareness-week-are-you-aware/comment-page-1/#comment-4984</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jun 2012 17:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have contacted both the SoH and ARH over the claims being made by their members, both of these trade bodies have replied, the SoH response was more positive than that of the ARH.  

No formal complaints have been submitted and I will now wait to see if the claims are removed without the need for the involvement of Trading Standards etc.

I can understand homeopaths not liking the ASA regulations and they may even wish to protest by refusing to remove the claims ..... however they need to remember that they are also breaking their own professional codes.

If homeopaths have no respect for their Code and the associations refuse to engage those members who break them ......  then the Codes are worthless and fail in their main objectives:

SoH Code:
&quot;The aim of the Code of Ethics and Practice is to encourage integrity and responsibility in the practice of homeopathy.&quot;


ARH Code:
&quot;The Code is intended for guidance and assistance to its registrants and to protect the interests of the public&quot;.


This is less about ASA compliance and more about professionalism of the homeopaths and their trade associations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have contacted both the SoH and ARH over the claims being made by their members, both of these trade bodies have replied, the SoH response was more positive than that of the ARH.  </p>
<p>No formal complaints have been submitted and I will now wait to see if the claims are removed without the need for the involvement of Trading Standards etc.</p>
<p>I can understand homeopaths not liking the ASA regulations and they may even wish to protest by refusing to remove the claims &#8230;.. however they need to remember that they are also breaking their own professional codes.</p>
<p>If homeopaths have no respect for their Code and the associations refuse to engage those members who break them &#8230;&#8230;  then the Codes are worthless and fail in their main objectives:</p>
<p>SoH Code:<br />
&#8220;The aim of the Code of Ethics and Practice is to encourage integrity and responsibility in the practice of homeopathy.&#8221;</p>
<p>ARH Code:<br />
&#8220;The Code is intended for guidance and assistance to its registrants and to protect the interests of the public&#8221;.</p>
<p>This is less about ASA compliance and more about professionalism of the homeopaths and their trade associations.</p>
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